2023-07-06 00:30 UTC
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@Skafantaris@mastodon.social 2023-07-06 00:44
@AmyZenunim I get not trusting them (I don’t either) but Instagram already has many orders of magnitude more users than Mastodon does. Why would Meta go to the trouble, time and expense of integrating ActivityPub just to poach a tiny fraction of their existing user base in two years? I think they’re sincere in their bet that content creators have been spooked by erratic platforms, and they’re going to demand more control over their audiences. Meta is aiming for Twitter, not Masto.
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@sekiun@mastodon.social 2023-07-06 00:44
@AmyZenunim so believable, it’s basically a prophecy
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@jubilee@social.treehouse.systems 2023-07-06 00:55
@AmyZenunim > What would stop that from repeating? Well, even if Threads abandoned ActivityPub down the line, where we would end up is exactly where we are now. XMPP did not exist on its own outside of nerd circles, while ActivityPub enjoys the support and brand recognition of Mastodon. fuck, he really does think he is ActivityPub, huh?
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@oigreslima@social.coletivos.org 2023-07-06 01:20
@AmyZenunim Or Threads's users who didn't even know about #fediverse discover that it exists and, surprise, decide throw it out of the walled gardens! To the surprise of "enlightened pessimists" 😬😏
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@SoniEx2@chaos.social 2023-07-06 01:31
@AmyZenunim perhaps more like: 1. Threads federates with mastodon.social 2. Folks from third-party instances start suing Threads for datamining mentions and boosts (because, even tho the posts aren't visible to Threads, the mentions/replies and boosts are) 3. Threads claims mastodon.social is to blame 4. Legal fees fall on mastodon.social. (IANAL, but facebook probably has an agreement for instances to indemnify/cover liability for Threads)
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@captbarba79@mastodon.art 2023-07-06 02:26
@AmyZenunim
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@teacherbuknoy@masto.ai 2023-07-06 04:48
@AmyZenunim the good ol' Embrace, Extend, Extinguish
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@duco@norden.social 2023-07-06 05:00
@AmyZenunim 1. Meta embraces ActivityPub with their Threads App: "Look all that people" 2. People on Threads speak with all the nerds on Mastodon that speak bad about Threads and explain that Mastodon is much better because of privacy and no ads. 3. Over time people join Threads but also leave it after they understand the Fediverse. 4. A fork of Mastodon looks like Threads and makes switching easier. 5. Meta quits Threads and the rest of their users switch to other Fediverse applications.
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@lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place 2023-07-06 05:22
@AmyZenunim fool me once
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@AnotherDayInHell@mastodon.social 2023-07-06 05:34
@AmyZenunim dude, bleak
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@venthewolf@meow.social 2023-07-06 05:52
@AmyZenunim or mastodon.social turns into threads
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@clacke@libranet.de 2023-07-06 06:00
> 1. Meta embraces ActivityPub, federates with mastodon.social, uses Fediverse servers as a "look at all the people you can talk to on day one!" Yeah, if they follow the Mastodon playbook they'll call Fedi the Streams network and say that the Streams network already has millions of users, plus show posts from all over Fedi on their start page firehose. @AmyZenunim
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@crazy_pony@rubber.social 2023-07-06 06:18
@AmyZenunim 3(b). External content will be a blurry preview inside a red frame "Warning, external Content from untrusted sites, click here to view if you trust them" Big green button "Invite them to migrate to Meta/Threads so you can see all they do right now without hassle"
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@dreamplan2501@mastodon.world 2023-07-06 06:19
@AmyZenunim 好吧感觉确实像小扎会干的事儿…… seems really like what Zuck would do…
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@histoire@pleroma.skyshanty.xyz 2023-07-06 06:45
@AmyZenunim Will that lower the amount of faggotry? Cause that seems like a win win
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@m0n5t3r@ps.m0n5t3r.info 2023-07-06 06:57
@AmyZenunim well, both google and facebook messenger did that to XMPP, I used to have my own server and chat with google talk users a long time ago, then they shut off server-to-server... also, lol: > Well, even if Threads abandoned ActivityPub down the line, where we would end up is exactly where we are now. XMPP did not exist on its own outside of nerd circles, while ActivityPub enjoys the support and brand recognition of Mastodon.
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@skymtf@tech.lgbt 2023-07-06 08:23
@AmyZenunim since they have decided to federate with Meta, lets fedi block mastodon.social
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@faoluin@chitter.xyz 2023-07-06 08:30
@AmyZenunim "Gosh, I never thought leopards would eat MY face"
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@outfrost@mastodon.social 2023-07-06 08:40
@AmyZenunim 3 is what doesn't really happen. People who are savvy enough to have a fedi account (be it Mastodon or something else) already are already weighing things like terrible/nonexistent moderation, ads, data collection, etc. that happen to them on big tech social media and don't happen on Mastodon. Others either don't care and never will, or can be encouraged to move to the good side of fedi - especially when a bunch of their slightly nerdier friends leave Threads behind.
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@zym@social.zym.lol 2023-07-06 09:53
@AmyZenunim I don't think they'll announce a cutoff date. It'll be more like they'll stop federating with Threads and ask people on Mastodon to signup for Threads to continue following their friends
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@localzuk@ohai.social 2023-07-06 10:20
@AmyZenunim Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. It's a model for businesses that had worked time and time again.
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@folkerschamel@mastodon.social 2023-07-06 10:25
@AmyZenunim@unstable.system This makes no sense. #threads does not need #mastodon users, because it already has far more users via #instragram. And as Eugen pointed out correctly, if #threads cuts off #activitypub some day, then everything will be again as it is now. If you are afraid of #threads being too successful, then the solution is not to block and wall off (this makes the problem only worse), but to make #mastodon better.
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@mingo@oldbytes.space 2023-07-06 11:08
@AmyZenunim you put into words exactly what shot through my mind when I heard about this crap. Reminds me so much of the plot of the last season of Silicon Valley.
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@panduck@mastodon.green 2023-07-06 11:15
@AmyZenunim How are we going to be able to leave fediverse and move over to threads when threads isn't even available where we live? The fact that they launch this without offering it to European users seems like they set it up to flop. Threads violates so many privacy laws that they will not be able to set up in Europe.
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@wizdum@meow.social 2023-07-06 11:45
@AmyZenunim embrace, extend, extinguish.
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@Amikke@qoto.org 2023-07-06 11:53
@AmyZenunim except the people who would prefer Threads over fediverse instances to contact the rest of the fediverse are already not here. Them joining via threads and leaving via threads will make no difference.
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@tregast@mastodon.sdf.org 2023-07-06 11:55
@AmyZenunim IMO, this is bound to happen but has nothing to do with ActivityPub. Threads using AP is more or less just a marketing piece - “See, we’re hip! We federate” kind of thing. I think it’s less about destroying the Fediverse and more about taking advantage of Twitter’s downfall.
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@starsider@valenciapa.ws 2023-07-06 13:08
@AmyZenunim This is EXACTLY how it happened with #XMPP and I unknowingly facilitated it.
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@NafiTheBear@bears.town 2023-07-06 14:44
@AmyZenunim there are a couple of positive differences though. We as a community won't recommend it this time though and threads is flatout illegal in the EU so Europeans will stay on mastodon. Although we will see if that will be enough.
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@smallsco@oldbytes.space 2023-07-06 16:55
@AmyZenunim Perhaps, but I think that for point 5, rather than Fediverse users “leaving”, they’ll just create Threads accounts in addition to their Fedi accounts so that they can talk to friends in both places. The network effect works in both directions.
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@miklo@soc.citizen4.eu 2023-07-06 16:58
@AmyZenunim And proof of the Eugen's exceptional modesty: "XMPP did not exist on its own outside of nerd circles, while ActivityPub enjoys the support and brand recognition of Mastodon"
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@skeletonpup@lgbtqia.space 2023-07-06 20:54
@AmyZenunim Yep. This particular bit of the post makes me the most angry. It is absolutely laughable to think that anyone or anything on this planet could force Meta to be less exploitative.
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@bristle@furry.engineer 2023-07-06 10:13
@AmyZenunim@unstable.systems back when XMPP was at its peak, I wasn’t using Google Talk myself, but I naively recommended it to others I wanted to stay in touch with. We all know how that went. I’m not doing this again with Mastodon/Threads.
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@sandipb@mastodon.social 2023-07-06 20:55
@AmyZenunim@unstable.systems Not very optimistic about the success of federation tbh Meta folks adding fediverse friends to their network is something i am sceptical. After all a whole bunch of people found it “hard” to join fediverse because they found all this server concept too confusing Now to add threads friend they can do $friend and for fediverse they have to do $friend@some.server? Too confusing for a whole lot of people
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@Roneyb@mastodon.social 2023-07-06 23:42
@AmyZenunim@unstable.systems scary but very likely 😕 My plan is hold on here no matter what!
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@amy@jawns.club 2023-07-07 01:24
@AmyZenunim@unstable.systems i don’t doubt that they would do all that but to what end? there are barely any users here to begin with, a rounding error for a company like meta… and the majority are zealots of one kind or another.
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@tchambers@indieweb.social 2023-07-07 01:26
@AmyZenunim@unstable.systems Could happen, but even if that did: we should take the best advantage of it to move over as many folks safely into the Fediverse we can in any window we can.
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@wraptile@fosstodon.org 2023-07-07 03:09
@AmyZenunim@unstable.systems nah we way to smart for that now. I'm honestly quite proud how reasonable and organized mastodon community is.
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@alanbrookland@mastodon.social 2023-07-07 06:14
@AmyZenunim@unstable.systems Or, it could go. 1. Lots of big names accounts join Threads (already happening) 2. People on Mastodon discover they can now follow people who were never doing to join here directly giving them much more reason to stay. 3. People on Threads realise that a feed just of people you follow is quite nice and try out Mastodon too now that they can still follow the people they were interested in. I'm not really seeing a model where Threads federating moves people from here to there.
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@TheoEsc@mastodon.social 2023-07-07 14:28
@AmyZenunim@unstable.systems Instagram has literally 1000 times as many users as Mastodon. Mastodon is more likely to net gain users because the pool it draws from is so much larger. Also if you look at Twitter/Tweetdeck or Reddit/Apollo, big corps suck at creating good UIs because they have fifty VPs messing around with everything. Mastodon' client UIs are likely to be superior. More likely Mastodon gets a million users from Threads before Threads pulls the plug.