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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 2w ago

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Reminder we will be talking to Nathaniel Borenstein live in T-22 hours and counting on the #lispyGopherClimate about his new #bookstodon synthesizing his long view of #AI and #ethics, and how he and others designed common components of email, the web, open standards and so forth, how they turned out and increasingly went wrong, the present and the future (and his autobiography). It will be live on https://anonradio.net:8443/anonradio at 0UTC Wed (your Tues.). with live chat in #lambdaMOO #VR as always.

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 2w ago

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#reminder that in about two hours, at 0UTC Wednesday ("Tuesday night"), we will be discussing Nathaniel Borenstein's new autobiographical book The Spirit of a Cyborg, and #ai and #ethics from someone who defined parts of how the internet we use every day work four decades ago, providing a long view of AI from Weizenbaum, Winograd, Minsky, Papert up to present day with a serious eye towards the future. I'll make the proper show toot in about an hour. Last minute questions please! + #emacs #lisp

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 3w ago

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@dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz As you may know, I had an exchange about with with @jhlagado@jorts.horse about whether there was genuinely something magical about Z80s as a substrate (mostly virtual now, formerly mostly real) for computing. Or whether it was retro kitsch. This is similar to [dartmouth+] #basic and #lisp in different ways, though they are both spawn of that dartmouth workshop on AI in the mid-50s. But basic was basically an attainable home computer, and lisp was sort of commentary on fortran list macros.

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 1mo ago

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Alright my fellow librerians, I am *just* seeing if #patreon treats a shop item specially in terms of putting it in front of lots of people and I will report back. So sorry about this apparently $5 lisp clim tutorial. I will put the org on my codeberg in a second secretly too. Remember the goal is to exfiltrate lisp community members from patreon into the show and we are being pragmatic because of how bad things are. #lisp #clim #paywalled https://www.patreon.com/screwlisp/posts/lisp-interface-5-167878977?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link https://codeberg.org/screwlisp/secret-exclusive-git

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 1mo ago

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This episode was and is actually really interesting #interview on #AI if I do say so. #curl @bagder@mastodon.social @kentpitman@climatejustice.social https://toobnix.org/w/rPKt4GRBwLeWzF3VcMFWNo

Daniel Stenberg of #curl and Kent Pitman of #commonLisp (and screwlisp, no affiliation) on #AI and #softwareEngineering

Daniel Stenberg of #curl and Kent Pitman of #commonLisp (and screwlisp, no affiliation) on #AI and #softwareEngineering

Daniel Stenberg / curl https://curl.se/ https://daniel.haxx.se/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Stenberg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CURL https://mastodon.social/@bagder Kent Pitman https://...

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 1mo ago

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Today's #patreon upload is @cdegroot@mstdn.ca 's The Genius of #Lisp #bookstodon release discussion featuring @kentpitman@climatejustice.social ! Get the book -> https://berksoft.ca/gol <- https://www.patreon.com/screwlisp/posts/genius-of-lisp-m-167968571?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link #podcast #interview

The Genius Of Lisp

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 1mo ago

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The original toobnix #peertube archive ! https://toobnix.org/w/6PWJeCyASrg3f8mpcVFcJx https://berksoft.ca/gol By the way, Cees also knew and worked with #ChristopherAlexander including on and about lisp as well! #lisp #bookstodon #climate @cdegroot@mstdn.ca @kentpitman@climatejustice.social

The Genius of #Lisp #book interview with Cees de Groot, Kent M. Pitman, Ramin Honary, screwlisp #lispyGopherClimate

The Genius of #Lisp #book interview with Cees de Groot, Kent M. Pitman, Ramin Honary, screwlisp #lispyGopherClimate

Get The Genius of Lisp, a history of John McCarthy, lisp, AI and computing at https://berksoft.ca/gol/ Show mastodon thread: https://gamerplus.org/@screwlisp/116207479387846267 Kent Pitman: https:/...

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 1mo ago

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#patreon mirror of the most recent #FSF interview of @bandali (new SNAC fediverse!) with @ramin_hal9001@fe.disroot.org about lots of current #ai events and GPL topics. #lispyGopherClimate #rerelease . https://www.patreon.com/screwlisp/posts/fsfs-bandali-and-167890424?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link Bandali's July FSF software announcement, for example: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/2026-july-gnu-spotlight Orig. https://toobnix.org/w/wQJ63Utsw2SN16Bhh5f2iT

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 2w ago

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@tmw@ioc.exchange yes certainly, it will be with the other recent archives on https://toobnix.org/a/screwtape/videos a few hours after it's live. Do you have any particular questions I can ask live?

Lispy Gopher Climate w/ screwlisp

Lispy Gopher Climate w/ screwlisp

The purpose is art Sunday-morning-in-Europe #lisp Peertube Lives live here weekly and the Tuesday-night-in-the-Americas anonradio.net archives are here now too. Tuesday night in the Americas TZ wee...

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 3mo ago

Boosted by @fedicat@pc.cafe

#lispyGopherClimate https://toobnix.org/feeds/videos.xml?accountId=580185 #live #lisp #tech #podcast #weekly since 2022 at 0UTC Wednesday (Tuesday night in the Americas). https://toobnix.org/w/1z43HJ2YboZUuE2U8LKRMj #climateCrisis #haiku by @kentpitman@climatejustice.social whom has also told me not to ruin the dramatic tension by just saying what (if?) https://github.com/netsettler/netsettlement !!!!!! Starting a lisp #zine ! See https://lispy-gopher-show.itch.io/zine/devlog/1560799/ansi-cl-clim-20-spec-zine-jam-instruction-copypasta . Also: https://codeberg.org/screwlisp/shizamuran-sudokus @mdhughes@appdot.net #underStone #gamedev https://mdhughes.itch.io/understone

Lispy Gopher Climate w/ screwlisp

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 3w ago

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@vnikolov@ieji.de Did I remember it wrong? Wasn't McCarthy working on fortran list processing macros immediately prior to lisp? @dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz @jhlagado@jorts.horse

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

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@jackdaniel@functional.cafe Yeah, it is literally that the advertising people (as documented ind Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide) got a computer that was so good at making manipulative advertisements that now when we see or hear something that sounds legitimate and attractive, heuristically the right thing to do is to start running in the opposite direction. The remaining heuristic being something like, is the project already at least five years old at this point. - Deeply unfairly.

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 2mo ago

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@vnikolov@ieji.de thanks! I might say free-as-in-libre software to avoid the discussion of 'open source' as such. I just boosted this to mean I would welcome additional questions and comments for @bandali viz our live discussion coming up in 17 hours anticipated here: https://gamerplus.org/@screwlisp/116954796430120143 #libre #software #FSF #interview #mastoquestions sharpsign sorta .

screwlisp: "#lispyGopherClimate #emacs #FSF CONFIRMED @bandal…" - G+DBN

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 2mo ago

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@vnikolov@ieji.de @simon_brooke@mastodon.scot I think I understand the confusion ! Sharpsign S is a reader macro (no real relation to macros) https://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/02_dhm.htm . Compare sharpsign o, sharpsign equals, sharpsign sharpsign, sharpsign a... #S(words :words-seen (foo bar baz)) Is short for (make-words :words-seen '(foo bar baz)) People often dis/like some of these. Simon pines for interlisp do-what-I-mean records. My friend Ksaj just hates 1/2 fractions. (/ 1 2) ! @ramin_hal9001@fe.disroot.org @D@mastodon.scot

CLHS: Section 2.4.8.13

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

#lispyGopherClimate low fi episode today !

https://toobnix.org/w/mWZ4yU9zdbYTZiCJftNAtV PREMIUM EXTENDED ARCHIVE

Subscribe via #RSS please : https://toobnix.org/feeds/videos.xml?accountId=580185

Are the #climateCrisis devastating datacentres the fault of #LLMs or just evil economics business as usual.

Then, @kentpitman@climatejustice.social is scanning a bunch of lisp historically significant paper documents into the public record - *should* measurably impact the #wikipedia page on #lisp , right!

Maybe some stuff on #IDE s apropos my https://lispy-gopher-show.itch.io/nicclim

#lisp Kent Pitman screwlisp Ramin Honary #climateCrisis #AI datacenters, new lisp document release #lispyGopherClimate

#lisp Kent Pitman screwlisp Ramin Honary #climateCrisis #AI datacenters, new lisp document release #lispyGopherClimate

Thread and ongoing Mastodon discussion: https://gamerplus.org/@screwlisp/116683201002429341

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

It's Sunday morning in Europe! #archive 8UTC Sunday as always #lispyGopherClimate #podcast since 2022.

https://toobnix.org/w/pU6zu95YDdyGKqsxxRf3Vg #peertube live

#RSS (recent times) https://toobnix.org/feeds/videos.xml?accountId=580185

@vnikolov@ieji.de 's Quality Without A Name toot #AI

As much as I can remember about the #lisp community #architecture and Christopher Alexander https://www.dreamsongs.com/Files/PatternsOfSoftware.pdf https://alexandria.common-lisp.dev/

My NicCLIM #IDE demo and the #DL book I am #writing - loose bibliography and sketch of chapters

#AI #softwareEngineering

The Quality Without A Name #architecture #AI #lisp #rpg #lispyGopherClimate

The Quality Without A Name #architecture #AI #lisp #rpg #lispyGopherClimate

Please refer to the show toot for links and your commentary: https://gamerplus.org/@screwlisp/116707723964974881

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 2mo ago

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@vnikolov@ieji.de Ah yeah I coule feel myself making that mistake. How did the QUOTE end up here..? @simon_brooke@mastodon.scot @ramin_hal9001@fe.disroot.org @D@mastodon.scot

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 2mo ago

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@ramin_hal9001@fe.disroot.org A lisp struct: CLIM-USER> (defstruct (words (:conc-name wr-)) (words-seen () :type t)) WORDS CLIM-USER> (defun add-word (words word) (values words (setf (wr-words-seen words) (append (wr-words-seen words) (list word))))) ADD-WORD CLIM-USER> #S(words) #S(WORDS :WORDS-SEEN NIL) CLIM-USER> (add-word * 'hello) #S(WORDS :WORDS-SEEN (HELLO)) (HELLO) CLIM-USER> (add-word * 'world) #S(WORDS :WORDS-SEEN (HELLO WORLD)) (HELLO WORLD)

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 2mo ago

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@ramin_hal9001@fe.disroot.org Clearly common lisp does not enforce singlethreadedness in the way acl2 does; however if you use the acl2 code, this will happen incidentally. Translating stobjs to setf and structs, and loop to loop$, lambda to lambda$, apply to apply$, [] format to fmt aren't broad-spectrum automatable because there are differences, but can generally be macroed in a particular project I think.

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 2mo ago

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@ramin_hal9001@fe.disroot.org Whence we can see: $ cert.pl ./stobj.lisp $ acl2 ACL2 !>(include-book "stobj") <...> ACL2 !>(add-word words "hello") ( ("hello")) ACL2 !>(add-word words "world") ( ("hello" "world")) acl2 describes stobjs as taking the draconian approach that stobjs are so syntactically restricted that it is unambiguous that there is only ever one state. In practice, any access to a stobj must return that stobj (i.e. with mv ~ values).

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

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I have a pitch I do not suppose many will like: My editor is defined in terms of application frame commands of the International Lisp Associates, Symbolics Inc., Xerox Corporation, Franz Inc., LispWorks Ltd. spec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Lisp_Interface_Manager #CLIM hosted by the portable #ANSI ANSI INCITS 226-1994 (S2018) (formerly, X3.226-1994 (R1999)) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Lisp #commonLisp Now, if I could only get one of the early testers of Bill Joy's VI @dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz to try it, or the author of NEX @kentpitman@climatejustice.social

Common Lisp Interface Manager - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Common Lisp Interface Manager - Wikipedia

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

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For some reason and with some apologies, thinking about the shitbird code releases I looked over when it was auditioning to be bought, the revolutionary new scala methodologies and frameworks fallen and decaying around the revolutionary new ruby methodologies and frameworks and the python cruft, and I am sure there was something about hashicorp YAML changing everything in there too, or it would have fit in, or that was another company filled with the same detritus or Confluence(c)

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 3mo ago

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@vnikolov@ieji.de one would imagine that in the traditional deep learning style, if you have a large training dataset of human real/fake photograph labellings, in the domain of the training dataset you would expect to be able to make fake face images humans are more likely to choose as real than real face images. I guess this is why political ads and ads generally have so desperately adopted fake images in that fake images can be optimized for persuasivity moreso than reality can.

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

#dailyWords [ 2822 / 24000 ] #writing yesterday I clearly wrote 2822 words (95%+ prose) of my #commonLisp #DL book draft In June. I reached a minor decision point and eventually lost consciousness in its pickling brine.

I decided to peg my check-in-on-how-the-book-is-going at 24000 words. At my current instantaneous velocity, this will take about 10 days. Somewhat to my surprise, the book is extremely, extremely picture heavy, almost coffee-table heavy.

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

Small #video #demo of my #NicCLIM #McCLIM #commonLisp s-expression interactive #editor #dogfooding . #itch_io #devlog #hextille https://lispy-gopher-show.itch.io/nicclim/devlog/1546453/dogfooding-my-nicclim-gui-application-frame-interactive-editor

I think it captures quite a lot of hey it is pretty useable useage and dispells some potential gotchas I experienced myself. Some info about ANSI common lisp #debugging .

lispy-gopher-show.itch.io

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

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@kentpitman@climatejustice.social @dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz This was the Mastodon toot | note | interview by Baez I was refering to. https://mathstodon.xyz/@johncarlosbaez/116679500222984155 Sorry for needing to be strongly corrected on your name @johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz <- obviously an interesting mathstodon to read.

John Carlos Baez (@johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz)

John Carlos Baez (@johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz)

Attached: 1 image A young mathematician named Micah Zarin interviewed me. It was fun, but I forgot to say some obvious yet important things about AI. So read this first: https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2026/06/02/interview-with-micah-zarin/

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 2mo ago

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@ramin_hal9001@fe.disroot.org I think I said they were von Neumann bottlenecks *like* monads. If we consider this stobj.lisp : (in-package "ACL2") (defstobj words (words-seen :type t :initially ())) (defun add-word (words word) (declare (xargs :stobjs (words))) (let ((words (if (true-listp (words-seen words)) (update-words-seen (append (words-seen words) (list word)) words) words))) (mv words (words-seen words))))

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

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@jackdaniel@functional.cafe the yak barber shaves all the yaks in town that don't shave themselves.

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 2mo ago

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@vnikolov@ieji.de though I should add. Something I was going to say about that note is that surely the main product of the FSF is GNU EMACS ! @bandali

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 2mo ago

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@vnikolov@ieji.de hmm, do you have a particular choice of question for (the FSF's) bandali tomorrow? To answer in personal opinion not FSF policy.

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

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@dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/speciose Etymology From species +‎ -ose.[1]

speciose - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

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@jackdaniel@functional.cafe there seem to be so many joke avenues.

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

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@nigel@unsociable.lowkey.party I guess the phenomenon is not completely new of people feeding themselves to what they perceive to be the best lion, while talking about how this lion is clearly going to chase off the other lions, and they are part of this lion in the sad sense that the lion is what it eats. What is new I think is that before it was celebrity-worship, whereas now increasingly many developers' friends are evil-future-eliza running on the celebrity's gas-guzzling server farms. @jackdaniel@functional.cafe

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

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@yantar92@fosstodon.org As you say, I guess my question is how much pathological misapplication of AI is there, which is something we will mostly know in hindsight. I was thinking about that Ars Technica article about github's recent 10x price hike, and it seems like I am not the only person to know what metric to use for "this should not have happened". @kentpitman@climatejustice.social

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

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@yantar92@fosstodon.org Something I speculated but did not say was that some of the odd rush of data centres in odd places, like say Carney's Canada putting a huge datacentre in Alberta looks a lot like putting huge energy consumers physically close to fossil fuels as a natural (gas) customer while fossil fuels recede to e.g. modern solar. So devolution of power consumption to locally generated solar powered local devices seems like it will start beating the former eventually. @kentpitman@climatejustice.social

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

#TODO #commonLisp #McCLIM you are welcome to snipe me on them of course:

Someone-of-us desperately needs to package for linux and bsd ports

a. libmcclim-ecl libmcclim.so shared object
b. mcclim-sbcl i.e. just sbcl with mcclim loaded and ext:save-lisp-and-die'd.

I think a lot of people will not touch something that looks like python pip to get it running.

@jackdaniel@functional.cafe

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 3mo ago

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@alex@social.alexschroeder.ch ? @technomancy@hey.hagelb.org @cwebber@social.coop

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 3mo ago

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It will be interesting (as a euphemism for terrible) once we have some examples of political elections whose deciding factor was the relative persuasiviness of each candidate's AI generated campaign photos. @vnikolov@ieji.de

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

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@jackdaniel@functional.cafe skynet offers incredible savings in terms of reducing human capital

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

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@kentpitman@climatejustice.social I wonder if someone has done an analysis of the cost of e.g. having a person orgmode lob-ingest and o-b-execute a few internal orgmode documents to e.g. generate a fancy report, which would be a no-datacentres-at-all thing to do, versus having an ai invent the report from first principles in a datacentre on the other side of the world. @yantar92@fosstodon.org

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

@inscript@merveilles.town what do you think of the word artefact ?

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

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@kentpitman@climatejustice.social Looking forward to talking about it. I think that operating from CLIM is somewhat like starting from lispmachine zwei (zwei is not eine) in that clim hosted drei (drei replaced eine's inheritor), McCLIM still having a bunch of drei inside of it (though I am not sure of the current progress towards a-second-climacs as I believe it is termed).

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 3mo ago

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@photronicarts@mastodon.linkerror.com do you take speculative product requests of LISP (or oberon) clay tablets. @vnikolov@ieji.de @pkw @inscript@merveilles.town

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screwlisp @screwlisp@gamerplus.org

· 4mo ago

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@kentpitman@climatejustice.social In my drafting-a-book-in-June, I needed to stick an editor to my deep learning contexts/training-data, and I guess this was my editor - and I got quite fond of it, even if I never really started using it (until now!).

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