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2026-10-28 17:01 UTC

I’ve been enjoying the writing of Zoe Baker recently. Specifically Means and Ends about the historical origins of anarchism. While looking for that, I also saw an essay on Anarchism and Democracy that references more recent thinkers. Might check that out too. Anyway, one of the takeaways for me was this: the fundamental opposition to parlamentary democracy entered the (european) anarchist canon in a time, when firstly parliaments were typically created as concessions by monarchs to stave off revolution, and by design ineffectual. And secondly violent revolution was still very much on the table. In this context participation in state democraticy was opposed categorily as a strategic error. If you live in a country where these two facts are no longer accurate (okay #1 is debatable, but #2 generally no), the strategic conclusions should also be different. Even if you have a post-state vision of democracy, some level of involvement in state democracy (or at least not torpedoing those efforts on principle) is non-optional in my opinion. Not least because fascists are trying to capture those systems to suppress all of our movements even harder.

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  • @riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2026-10-28 17:21

    thanky for ur comment :3 zoe baker is great! i think you are right that the state can’t and shouldn’t be ignored and we should try to get the state to improve conditions, but i also believe that we have to be careful about it. there is the big rist of getting coopted or corrupte by the state, its logic, and it’s burocracy. and then of course there is also a limit on what is achievable using state power. we can’t use it to prefigure a statless society, at best we can use it to create a fertile conditions for a statless society to grow. but that growing has to be done outside of it and is what i think requires the main focus.

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  • She also has a pretty great YouTube channel if you’re into video essay-style content. www.youtube.com/channel/UC3FD64RRsrCLpiZNkq7ZkSg

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